Will we ever get answers or accountability for what happened with COVID?

July 21 – A US Senate hearing on Tuesday to look into whether the National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded controversial research claims ended up in a pretty heated back-and-forth between Senator Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci.

Paul said, “I’ll be sending a letter to the Department of Justice asking for a criminal referral because he (Fauci) has lied to Congress. We have scientists that will line up by the dozens to say that the research he was funding was gain of function. He’s doing this because he has a self-interest to cover his tracks and to cover his connection to Wuhan lab. If you go back to Fauci’s statements in 2012 he said that the research was worth it even if a pandemic should occur. Even if a leak from a lab should occur the research was worth it. That to me shows incredibly bad judgment.”

The back-and-forth lasted for five to six minutes and Paul did seem to come out on top.

Attorney Clint Barkdoll, Pat Ryan and Michele Jansen discussed the accountability for COVID this morning during the Big Talk on First News.

Barkdoll said, “My one criticism is this. I was talking to a reporter yesterday in DC who was pointing this out. A lot of the questions Paul is asking are very legitimate and these are questions that a lot of people want to hear Fauci on the record answer, but if you watch the exchange every time Fauci tried to get into some kind of an answer, Paul just shut him down. I think they were so caught up in the heat of the moment. If you watch that exchange, Fauci really says very little. It sounds like maybe he was prepared to offer some kind of a defense, but they didn’t let him do it.”

The five minutes each person had were up and the chair said they had to move on to the next Senator.  

Barkdoll said, “I think some people would have been really curious to have heard Fauci try to explain that because at one point in that exchange, Fauci says to Paul, ‘Senator you don’t know what you’re talking about’ and then Fauci starts to get into a very technical answer about the molecular composition of COVID and every time it would happen, they would just start talking over each other again so you never really got an answer. I think Paul came out better in that exchange, but I think unfortunately a lot of people still left that very frustrated because they still don’t have Fauci on the record giving an answer to those very appropriate questions.”

Ryan said, “I think where Rand came out on top one of the places was he was using his (Fauci’s) own words against Fauci. In fact he said here these are your words, this is out of NIH, these are your talking points and he can’t defend them. That’s why I thought he kept interrupting him. He kept going back to his own talking points.”

Barkdoll said, “I think Paul’s bringing up very legitimate points. I think he laid out the case very effectively. I think it would have been interesting to have made Fauci answer. Giving two minutes of uninterrupted time to answer but that didn’t happen so I think we still don’t really know what Fauci’s explanation is.”

As the quote above said, Paul is going to refer this to the Justice Department.

Barkdoll said, “Fauci is not going to be charged. I would be shocked if the government charged him, but I think Paul and others are bringing up really legitimate questions that Fauci from the beginning of course has given a lot of conflicting information throughout this situation. I’m not sure we still have clear answers from him to explain how some of these things occurred.”

Ryan said, “One of the things I like where Rand Paul was going yesterday was some accountability. Someone, somebody has to be held accountable and I brought this up with Congressman John Joyce yesterday. I’m not interested in thoughtful legislation I want some answers.”

From yesterday’s conversation with Congressman Joyce:

Ryan asked, “Is anybody anywhere saying how are we going to hold China accountable?”

Joyce said, “Yes. Last evening (Monday) I had a meeting with the Health Task Force recently appointed to that and that was one of the primary issues. We want to come up with legislation to hold China accountable. The meeting lasted until well after 9 p.m. last night and that was the number one agenda. We need to come up with meaningful legislation that we can push forward.”

Ryan asked, “What was one maybe a highlight out of that meeting that said how we would do that?”

Joyce said, “It was a very diverse group of legislators, all republicans who were there. One of the interesting points were involving the governors. I had to choke back because our Governor Wolf is non compliant and impossible to deal with. But that was one of the pieces of information that I’m bringing back to my team of how we can work when faced with a Democrat in Harrisburg in the opposition. We need to be able to have a multi-pronged approach to this.”

Barkdoll said, “I have to say that seemed like the non-answer answer to your question. I’m still not clear what Congress is doing about it. I understand there’s maybe some interface with the governors. My question is why are they still waiting for this? They’ve had now what? Sixteen, seventeen months and it still sounds like we’re in committees, we’re studying the issue. We’re working on legislation, we’re looking at a lot of options. I think a lot of people in the public, both parties, are to the point, do something. We’re tired of all the talk about what you’re going to do or what you’re going to study. As you’re pointing out and I think as you very appropriately asked him give us some specific examples. I don’t think we hear anything out of Congress or the Senate or the White House about specifically what they want to do and the public by and large wants there to be some action taken to hold China accountable for this mess.”

Ryan pointed out, “We did have an administration that was doing something and we had a press that was holding the president accountable to doing something. They didn’t like what he did at every turn, but at least he was doing something. Now I’ve got ice cream eating, dog loving and I’m going on vacation for the weekend let’s not talk about anything. This administration is just a disgrace.”

Jansen added, “I don’t see any real attempts at anything but of course we keep hearing though that it’s all tied into how much hold they have over us in other ways that we’ve allowed them to have and we are afraid to go up against China for economic reasons and everything else.”

Ryan said, “We’re not afraid. The lawmakers…”

Jansen added, “And business. Large industries are relying on that market…”

Ryan said, “Then it’s going to take Minute Men and Minute Women like we are on Main Street USA. I talked about this last year, put down that China crap as much as possible. I know it’s threaded into everything but the only way it starts is grassroots kind of stuff like you and me going out to Snider’s Elevator and picking up American made dog food as opposed to picking up that crap at Walmart.”

Jansen said, “And start calling out these companies for their positions on this.”